Funny...some open pollinated hips on my 'Seagull' rambling rose are doing the usual color change to a yellowish olive color signalling me to pick them, others are bypassing that and just going straight to the shriveling ripe stage with brown stems, just picked more for processing in my blender today. In the past, open pollinated hips of 'Seagull' have given me some very interesting, repeat-blooming dwarf shrubs, but it is the controlled crosses I did last April that I am VERY excited to see the results of!