The first trellis for my 'Francois Juranville' rambler, planted own root in 1999, was sunken wolmanized 2 X 4's topped with rebar. But the sheer weight of the 'Mermaid' rose that swallowed Francois and killed all but one rooted cane, pulled the whole structure over three years ago. 'Mermaid' has been gone a couple of years now and I have 95% regained and recreated my front yard. That big regrowth of a surviving 'Francois Juranville' cane as of this morning is now off the ground and up on the rebar for further training across the horizontal rebar so as to make a lovely rose arch over the garden entry. A year from now it should be beautiful, 2 years it will be stunning. The last two pics are of Francois in his heyday before 'Mermaid' consumed him and much of my driveway.