From two years ago when Pamela Greenewald asked Gene Waering and I and others to give talks at her spring rose festival there at Angel Gardens in north Florida. All of her roses are grown on their own roots and organically vs. on Fortuniana and endlessly sprayed. A shame the 2013 HRF Conference did not take tour goers there for a real eyeful! She is a high energy and delightful person and does SO much with just the help of her husband and with their own funding. Her curiosity about roses is insatiable.